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Myles Off Course!


Myles Munroe, speaking with Benny Hinn, says that God cannot operate on earth without a license from a human. He says that prayer is man giving God permission to operate.This dude makes it up as he goes! Where is THAT in the Bible? Since when is God subject to His creation?!?
I have often heard Creflo and Copeland, et al., say the same stuff.

This is a basic tenet of the Word Faith movement. It open-facedly seeks to elevate man and denigrate God. And honestly, if you follow this teaching, you are either a Baby Christian and not yet aware, or you are seeking to do what the Devil tried to do.

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January 31, 2008 - Posted by | Benny Hinn, Christianity, Creflo Dollar, Eddie Long, False Doctrine, False Teachers, Kenneth Copeland, Myles Munroe, TBN, Word of Faith

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  1. I definitely agree with you on the falicy of this teaching. I would certainly not want to serve a God that needed my permission to work. Scripture shows us very clearly that God is beyond restraint of any kind and certainly is not held in bondage by His creation.

    I would encourage you, however, to approach such issues with an attitude of love and broken heartedness as some who follow these teachers have been led astray while seeking for the truth of the Gospel. When we encounter false teaching we should absolutely refute it with Scripture, but we must be sure to do so out of love.

    Good post.

    Comment by Chris Dills | January 31, 2008 | Reply

  2. Miles Munroe, Benny Hinn, Kenneth Copeland and others like them make the strongest case I can think of for getting Christians to take bible study more seriously. They have a massive following of thousands if not millions, yet they preach patently false doctrine. Sadly, too few Christians are discerning enough to recognize it. “My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge…”(Hosea 4:6). Keep up the good work Derrick

    Comment by Dave Williams | January 31, 2008 | Reply

  3. Thanks, guys!

    Chris, I know I can sometimes let my exasperation show through, but believe me, I have compassion for those who are being lied to.
    I don’t have as much patience for the wolves who mislead, or for those who willingly support them out of selfish greed.

    I have dozens of extended family members in a cult, and I pray for them nightly! These issues are close to me.

    God bless you for your Godly criticism!
    Derrick.

    Comment by maxdaddy | January 31, 2008 | Reply

  4. I have almost every book Myles Munroe has written but when it comes to Rediscovering The Kingdom something happen. I could not believe some of the stuff that was written there. I just could not get pass God needs our permission to operate on earth. Sadly, to say I once thought he was a great teacher until that concept.

    Hey, Ann. Thanks for always coming by!
    The good thing is that when you saw heresy, you recognized it!

    Comment by Ann Brock | February 2, 2008 | Reply

  5. After spending too many years under this type of preaching, I can tell you that they are SO convincing. Really, they can back up so much of what they preach with scripture…of course it is often out of context or just twisted beyond recognition…but once they break it down for an hour or two you start to think they are onto something!

    Of course it is easy to sell something that people want. People WANT to believe they are in control. People WANT to believe that if they pray hard enough that they’ll get what they want, regardless of God’s will. People WANT to believe that the kingdom of God is like a fairytale and that it’s all about THEM. Tell people what they want to hear and they won’t question you.

    Thank God that at least some of us had enough moments of clarity to break out of that thinking!

    Yeah, watching them work, it’s easy to see why they are able to con so many out of so much. Being a musician, and having grown up the way I did, I’ve seen many guys use the same gift of gab on women.

    Comment by missy | February 3, 2008 | Reply

  6. Hmmm…I’ve heard this madness before, and I always smile. I wonder if God thinks it’s funny!

    David said, “The earth is the Lord’s and the fullness thereof..the world and they who dwell therein” Psalm 24:1.
    So if the earth is God’s, then why does He need my permission to handle something that’s His?

    That’s completely…insane.

    Yep. And people get mad at me for being outspoken… I’m sick of this mess!

    Comment by ANappyGirl | February 3, 2008 | Reply

  7. I don’t necessarily want to stir things up, but for me the “Rediscovering the Kingdom” series has certainly helped to make biblical truth clearer. Please don’t stop reading here!! There are still questions I have about Myles Munroe’s teachings and the biblical basis for them, but I’ve been asking him directly what he means, and prayerfully asking my Abba Dad always to show me fiction from THE truth that is scripturally supported. And He always has.

    As far as God needing our permission to operate on earth is concerned, I don’t find this teaching incorrect or offensive as I believe I understand what Munroe means. It would be like the leader (God) having to accomplish a goal (manage the Kingdom of God on His behalf on earth) with a team of people (us). If he delegates tasks & responsibilities (the bible’s rules, instructions, etc) to each team member, the responsibility & accountability for achieving their part of the goal is transferred to and rests with each delegate who is given the mandate and authority (rulership of the earth that is given to us), and a wise leader will not interfere with the delegate’s actions (Eve & Adam’s sin) by intervening and taking back that mandate and authority, but may have to take some other action (Jesus’ death & resurrection) for the goal to be accomplished.

    So, would God then override the free will He gave us by changing everything He said He would do in the way He would do it (in His Word)? I don’t believe God will intervene (or interfere?) and cannot operate (because of His own rules) unless we ask Him to through His Spirit (by prayer). Perhaps the terms “illegal” & “license” as used by Munroe are unfortunate, but I don’t think what he is saying is incorrect. I really don’t believe that Munroe is trying to persuade us to “elevate man and denigrate God”. On the contrary, if you’ve watched the DVDs. And I have complete peace that I am in submission to God’s will through His Word, and that I as one of the elect have not been deceived.

    PS. I’m not a Munroe stooge or apologist! I have been an active believer for 30 years and have been outspoken against some of the pastors mentioned in this blog. I am also not part of the “faith movement”.

    Comment by Brian | February 11, 2008 | Reply

    • why no response from the maxdaddy on this eloquent posting?

      Comment by babel | February 1, 2010 | Reply

      • I’m missing something… To whom did I not respond? Sorry. I’ve had my hands full with all these babies around my house…

        Oh, okay, I see it! I’m on the way to work, but when I get home, I’ll get at it.

        Comment by maxdaddy | February 1, 2010

    • Man, this was TWO YEARS AGO!!! 😀
      Brian,
      I think what you are describing in your scenario is free will. And what Munroe, and the Faith teachers advocate is not simply free will but the subjugation of God to OUR will. Big difference.
      Letting Adam and Eve sin is waaay different than saying God’s hands are tied. Where at all does the Bible teach that because man sinned Satan was given what belonged to God and that God therefore was unable to operate? Nice story, but not Bible.

      There are too many passages in Scripture which speak to God’s ultimate authority and complete sovereignty!
      Those terms, “illegal” and “License” are not just unfortunate, but enlightening to his POV. He uses them all the time!

      Myles Munroe is quintessential Word of Faith! He sits in counsel (and in agreement) with all the current prominent figures — Copeland, Dollar, Parsley, Hinn, TBN, all of them. I have heard hours of their teachings and am confident that he is as they. Like holds to like, as they say. Their doctrine walks, looks, and quacks like a DUCK!

      Their constant focus and thrust is on MAN’S authority and MAN’S exaltation and god’s submission to our will, which is ALWAYS about wealth, health, and our RIGHT to have it! Here and now! Activated by the force of our Faith.

      Sorry for the delayed response!

      Comment by maxdaddy | February 2, 2010 | Reply

  8. I’m not trying to defend a false doctrine here but we have to consider something before making a point. Is God tied to something? Off course. What? His own word. As God get us dominion over the world (earth) he can’t do anything without our permission. Why? Because of us? Off course not but because of Him, because of his own word. God can’t act directly in the earth as God. That’s the reason He needs to be a man as you and me and come here and save us. That’s the reason why Jesus teach us that His own be in earth as in heaven. Could God destroy us again with a diluvium? No. Why? Because of us? No. Because he promised not to destroy the mankind again with a diluvium. So, off course God is tied not to us but to His own word.

    Mario, believe me, I respect your right to express your opinion here, but you ARE defending false doctrine. You are making leaps from a weak premise to a faulty conclusion when you assert that the word “dominion” automatically means that God needs our PERMISSION to operate on Earth. To make a statement that bold needs to have an EXPLICIT chapter-and-verse from the Bible, and you will not find it! These individuals say this repeatedly, and never back it up without twisting the iron bar of Scripture to try and make it say that.

    God cannot sin. THAT is in the Bible. God will not violate our free will when it comes to sin and choosing Him or Hell. That is biblical.
    The Word does NOT say that, as you say, “God can’t act directly in the earth as God.” Show me where that is…
    You state one faulty premise after another, and it is line for line what Creflo and the others teach. I have watched them foe YEARS, Bible in hand, and have not ONCE found them to be on solid biblical ground when saying these things. God is ALL POWERFUL! That should finish it. He doesn’t have to get our permission to act!

    Did he ask Mary for her permission to commit the ULTIMATE Godly act in placing Jesus immaculately in her womb? No.
    Jesus was 100% God AND 100% human. He had no sin nature as we have. THAT’s why He was born the way He was.
    All I want, truly, is for you to look at these things for yourself, and not through the Word of Faith lens that makes the God of the Universe subject to OUR puny wills. God can do what He WANTS to do. He has said as much.

    God bless you! Derrick.

    Comment by Mario | February 14, 2008 | Reply

  9. Hi Derrick, I also don’t want this to become a battle between believers – we are sons of the living God, and others will know that we are His disciples when we have love for each other. But I fear you have missed the point that has been made.

    We all know that God is sovereign. He can & will do anything he chooses and NEEDS permission from no-one. But, He gave us the earth to look after for Him and He won’t interfere with that, just the same as He won’t interfere with our free will, even to the point of His own death!

    It is not a question of us as believers wanting to be like God or to be greater than Him as has been suggested above. On the contrary, when we are completely in submission to Him, seeking His will in the circumstances that we are in whilst managing this planet we are charged with looking after, continually obeying Him and loving Him as our dad, lord, saviour & friend, that’s when things the Kingdom of God manifests itself.

    It’s not a question of God CAN’T but He WON’T just as He won’t make us believers until we ask Him and give Him permission to come into our hearts. He also doesn’t act in most circumstances until we ask Him (or give Him permission to act in our lives or the lives of others).

    Love you brother. Brian

    Brian, thanks.
    It is ONE thing to say what you have just said, but it is quite another to stretch and twist those words to make them mean what those in the Word of Faith movement clearly teach. What you have said is basically true, but only the hull inside which is stuffed the WoF lie. Munroe and Hinn and Dollar and the others say things like “Jesus didn’t come to Earth as God,” and that “we can tap into OUR OWN godness just like he did,” and that “God needed a body to operate on Earth,” and that “Jesus had to go to hell to wrestle the keys from Satan, ” and so on.

    These are heresies that say WAY more than what you just said. I still want to see EXPLICIT Bible proof of the Word of Faith scenario. Without jumping to conclusions and jumping from one shaky premise to a wrong idea.

    I mean this with all respect and gentleness. The nature of God cannot be tampered with to the point where we put Him on a lower pedestal and man on a higher one.
    God bless!

    Comment by Anonymous | February 16, 2008 | Reply

  10. Hi
    I don’t understand this idea about God needing Man’s permission to work on earth. It cannot be that only for chosen few earthly works God needs the permission. If HE needs the permission then HE would need it for every single little thing that has to be done on earth.
    Do we need to give Him the permission to rain? or for the earth to be replenished with its fulllness?
    When did Job give God the authority to permit Satan to afflict him? Poor Job had no clue what was happening to him. When did God take the permission?
    When God says to Elijah to move to zarephath, He says “Arise, get thee to Zarephath, which belongeth to Zidon, and dwell there: behold, I have commanded a widow woman there to sustain thee.”(1 Kings 17:9). He had commanded!! Not asked for the permission.
    I think Gods humility in using a human agent to fulfill His purpose should not be taken as an argument to exalt Man.

    Ron! You hit that nail on the head about five times in a row! My sediments(sp) exactly!
    I have also wondered, since God gave man DOMINION, when did man give God “permission” for Satan to even BE in the Garden in the first place!

    Thanks, Derrick.

    Comment by Ron | February 19, 2008 | Reply

  11. Max,

    You and Ron have dealt soundly with most of the issues I would have loved to address.

    The sovereignty of God is something that modern man is not interested in – yet the entire Bible declares this truth: God is sovereign. He takes no permission from no-one. He does not need it.

    He raises kings without getting anyone’s permission, and drops others the very same way. When He initiated the plan of redemption, from whom did He obtain permission?

    When Job got smart in his defence to his friends, the Lord gave Him a lecture that essentially pointed out His sovereignty.

    Without the sovereignty of God, salvation is an impossibility. No-one could ever make it. Yet this truth of God’s sovereignty has been assaulted like very few other truths.

    Who does man think that he is, that the Lord of the universe should need his permission for anything?

    Yomi,
    I was just thinking about Job as I was reading your comment, and you mentioned him!
    I wonder if people like Munroe remember that Job (who supposedly had “dominion” in the presence of God) peppered God with questions AND GOT NOT ONE ANSWER IN RETURN!

    Comment by Yomi Adegboye | February 20, 2008 | Reply

  12. Hi guys, it’s me again.

    If we put this stuff as God submited to us because of us off course we are wrong. God is not submited to us but to his own word. Remember that this issue is not about us, it’s all about God, His Word, His Kingdom, His Son, His Salvation, all belongs to Him, the Earth, the Mankind, all, your goods, your economy, all.

    So ask God why He decides to do that. To give us dominion, to give us the earth as the place of our dominion (delegated). We’re going to respond for our acts here.

    If we need some verses for reading we can check The Parable of the Ten Minas (Luke 19). This is the key verse:

    12 He said: “A man of noble birth went to a distant country to have himself appointed king and then to return. 13So he called ten of his servants and gave them ten minas.’Put this money to work,’ he said, ‘until I come back.’

    I’m asking to your simple logic. If our problems were depending on God I’m absolutely sure He were already done whatever were necessary to do. Don’t you think that? We’re not solving our problems because of us not because of God. God is the answer for You and You are the answer for the earth because YOU ARE THE SALT OF THE EARTH. Don’t forget that.

    Matthew 5:13: Salt and Light
    13 “You are the salt of the earth. But if the salt loses its saltiness, how can it be made salty again? It is no longer good for anything, except to be thrown out and trampled by men.

    So the only thing we have to do is beginning to submit to his will and remember this: 19The creation waits in eager expectation for the sons of God to be revealed.

    Finally when we’ll begin to get dominion on earth again don’t forget this:

    17 You may say to yourself, “My power and the strength of my hands have produced this wealth for me.” 18 But remember the LORD your God, for it is he who gives you the ability to produce wealth, and so confirms his covenant, which he swore to your forefathers, as it is today.

    Hey, Mario.
    Let me say this, and please don’t think me rude…
    You are –one — making the mistake of applying the ULTIMATE meaning of the word “Dominion” here, and that is one of the things people like Munroe so deftly do: they take you down a path with a word, and use it in the sense which supports their particular position at the time.
    One can have “dominion” over a thing and not have ultimate power and control. He gave us “dominion” over lions and crocodiles and eagles, and while in some sense, they have an intrinsic fear of mankind, one would be a fool to think that one could wrestle and overpower any of them and come away with one’s life intact!

    These words, “Dominion”, “Kingdom”, etc., are being twisted by these men to put the FOCUS on man’s rights and abilities and power and desires, and OFF of God.

    You have, with all sincerity I’m sure, taken some texts out of context here and used them to point to something which is in error.

    Comment by Mario | February 20, 2008 | Reply

    • Hey, um i’m not really into any of this reputable things but I would also like to add that the verse that you used was a parable, it is basically a story right? so what truth is within a story? It is completely out of context because Jesus uses the whole parable to say something else to reveal to the ones who hear. I would say to watch a little more closely to the verses that myles uses. One thing for sure is the fact that there ARE wolves in sheep’s clothing out there to decieve even the elect. Well I pray that things will go well and the continuing search for God and Truth. Jesus is Lord!
      amen.

      Comment by TImmy | June 22, 2009 | Reply

  13. Hello,
    I think you become one sided, so please study the side of Mr. Myles Munroe.

    Mr. Munroe is always quoting Gen. 1:26 where God said, Let us make man in our image and after our likeness and let them [man] have dominion over all the earth… meaning let man rule, dominate the earth. God excluded Himself in ruling the earth. God delegated to man the rulership on earth in His behalf. So, only man who is a spiritual being living in a physical body has the legal authority over the planet earth. So any spirit who has no physical body is illegal on planet earth. That’s why we can bind and cast the demons out because they are illegal here. They are spirit without a body. That’s why Satan used the body of a snake to become legal when he tempted Eve.And God could not intervene with Eve because He is spirit. God was trapped by His word. Remember when God speaks it becomes law. Not only to creation but also to Himself. God said in the book of Isaiah, He placed His word above His name. God cannot intervene not because He is weak, not because He is not powerful, but because He is too faithful in His word. God will never violate His word. He will never break His word. If He breaks His word we can no longer trust Him anymore. That’s why God needs our permission. That is the reason why God commanded us to pray always. Because God will not interfere on this earth if we don’t pray. Jesus died on the cross so that God can give us His Spirit.God needs our body to make Him legal on earth to accomplish His ultimate purpose on earth which is to colonize earth with heaven(Mt.6:10). He keeps forgiving us, cleansing us, healing our body so that He can continue dwell on us. Jesus ascended into heaven and seated at the right hand of God but Christ(the Spirit) came down here to dwell in our body to continue His work. That’s why the church is never called the body of Jesus but the Body of Christ. God gave us His Holy Spirit so that we can exercise our rulership, leadership on this earth. We are here to influence the people around us for the expansion of His Kingdom. And the Holy Spirit that dwell on us will give us the fruit and the power to accomplish His purpose and will on eartn just like it is in heaven. God bless you!

    Comment by Ireneo Diaz Jr. | March 31, 2008 | Reply

  14. I enjoy all the comments but what about the legimate teaching of the Kingdom of God in the Bible especially the Kingdom taught by Jesus. There are other great books on the Kingdom. Many Christians make the mistake by focusing on one author. This is the first mistake. Myles can be very arrogant at times but if we look carefully at what has been going on we discover that the emerging church is also using the word ‘kingdom’ and many authors are reimaging Christianity. I will encourage the saints to ready different authors concerning the Kingdom. I do disagree with Myles’ statement when he was with Benny Hinn. I think that he misrepresented God. Cocerning the Sovereignty of God the Calvinist position is clearly different so we should consider that. Peter also said some strange things and God brought him back. Paul was a vicious man once and God brought him back. So let us pray for brother Myles if we think that he has made some mistakes. Certainly all of us have. God bless all the saints and may we all not deviate from God’s word. Amen.

    Comment by Mark Frank | April 1, 2008 | Reply

  15. First of all to God be the glory. It is so wonderful to see that people are reading the word. However not just reading but studing as well. For we all know in the bible 2 Timothy 2:15 tells to Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly diving the word of truth. As you read on to verse 16 It saids, But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness. So when we here things quoted that are not in the bible we can quickly detect the untruth. However like one of our brothers said we must pray for these people that miss leads the children of God. We must remember that through Christ we can do all things, because He strengthens us. Phil 4:13. Amen? Amen.

    Comment by Doris Heath | April 14, 2008 | Reply

  16. God’s Word. His Word. His Word. His Word. That is the most important thing. What does His Word say. Genesis 1:26

    Comment by Lorenzo | June 11, 2008 | Reply

  17. God’s Word, His Word, His Word, sure doesn’t say that we have any dominion over God and His authority over His “Earth, and the FULLNESS thereof.”

    Genesis 1:26 is laying out our stewardship of God’s creation. You have to make the Bible run through more obstacles than Indiana Jones to make the word “dominion” mean what you want it to mean here.
    Thanks.

    Comment by maxdaddy | June 11, 2008 | Reply

  18. It’s interesting reading everyone’s comments – especially since I am in the midst of reading “Rediscovering the Kingdom”. I have to agree with Brian: I think everyone is misunderstanding what Munroe is saying. He is NOT saying that He is subject to us. He is saying that He has delegated the authority of earth to us.

    As a manager for years, it is the same concept. The company has delegated authority to me to run the company I am with. At any time, the Corporate company can override my authority if I am abusing it. But, if I am working the plans according to their direction, they don’t.

    Munroe says Adam and Eve were in charge. There was an upheavel and Satan took their authority from them. Jesus has given it back. Munroe is just trying to share with us that the stewardship of earth has been returned to us. He’s not trying to say that we are in charge of GOD, but have delegated authority again in the earth.

    Comment by Bob | August 10, 2008 | Reply

  19. Thanks, Bob.
    I must disagree with you. It is clear what Munroe is saying when he says these things in the company of, and with the endorsement of well-known Word of Faith teachers.

    He echoes the same ideas that Copeland and Hinn and the whole crew teach.

    When I hear him speak, I hear the same “dominion” and “authority” language that they and Creflo Dollar use. Copeland has said that God was the biggest failure in the Bible, and that, like Munroe, Adam gave Satan authority when he sinned, therefore decreasing God’s ability to operate.
    This is NOT the true Word of God, and has to be arrived at only with great torture of Scripture. The Bible does not teach this.

    Jesus didn’t give US authority. HE has it.

    Comment by maxdaddy | August 11, 2008 | Reply

  20. it is very common sense, God said “let them ruled over the earth” it is very clear that the management in earth was given to man.. But before you manage the earth first be image and likeness of God.. it means God gave us power for creation not for creator.. God will not let you manage the earth if you have image of the devil

    Comment by jonathan | November 26, 2008 | Reply

  21. Let’s get one thing straight, GOD IS SOVEREIGN! No ifs ands or buts. Now, He made man to rule the earth, man failed and it fell into the hands of the enemy. So, we’ll do it again but this time I will send My Son to show them how to do it. Jesus came to be an example of how to rule the earth.

    Now God had to make a change in things. He will have to send His Spirit into everyone that believeth John 14:17. Now he can have the power to rule and reign. Jesus spoke the word, we should speak the word. Jesus did nothing without hearing from the Father, we should do nothing until we hear from the Father. Etc. etc. etc.

    He left and said “as my Father hath sent Me, so send I you” John 20:21. It’s that simple. We are to rule the earth as Jesus did…Mar 16:17-18 “And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover”. Whatsoever you desire when you pray believe you receive them and you shall have them.Mark 11:22-24

    When God says something it is a done deal. He will not go back on His word, He will not recant. He has given the rule of the earth to us and He expects us to do it as Jesus did with the power of the Holy Spirit. Nuff Said!

    P.S. I don’t know anything about the “Faith movement” but I do know this, without it we can do nothing and if it is not done in faith, it is sin!
    Larry

    Comment by Larry | May 9, 2009 | Reply

  22. I have just started researching all the preachers and the word faith movement, the charasmatic leaders movement. Personally I have found that this is what I would call “New Age” Christianity. I have listened and followed Kenneth copeland’s teachings. I have listened and followed Joyce meyer’s teachings. I also have listened to several others. The allure seems so real, and I found that it is mystical and finding the spirit in all this. Just recently God has opened my eyes to the things that I was believing, and I am quite shocked to see the differences in these ministries, and the truth of God. I’ve realized that I have been commanding God to do whatever I wished, But God is GOD! he is to be feared out of respect and instead of commanding, we are to ask him of things.

    I am going to say that during this period of this “Spiritual time” I have always been spinning my tires and Going in circles. Deep inside our hearts, God is saying “listen to me”. And I do know this, we definitely close our ears sometimes to listen to what we “Want” to hear. God is all powerful neverending, the author of life, time and space. Jesus is God. The holy spirit is our divine counselor, a gift from God. The holy spirit testifies with one another. Us man is no equal with God, we can never claim we have done anything without him. God is in all things.

    “Oh, the depth of the riches of the wisdom and knowledge of GOD! How unsearchable his judgments, and his paths beyond tracing out!…For from him and through him and to him are all things. To HIM be the glory forever! amen” Romans 11:33-36

    Comment by TImmy | June 22, 2009 | Reply

  23. Brian you say God needs permission to work on earth.Who gave God the permission to destroy the tower of babel

    Comment by Howard | September 28, 2009 | Reply

  24. Its really always mind buggling to realaize some concepts in scripture that violate our long-held religious beliefs.Is it true that God needs our permission (or participation) before He does anything on earth?
    Think about this; Jesus told Hid disciples to pray: “Your Kingdom come, your will be done, on earth as in heaven..”(Matt 6), also he asked for them to “pray the Lord of harvest to send out laborers”.(Luke 10:2) These are obviously what He (God)desires to do. So why don’t He just go on and do it, why will He ask me to pray to Him to do what he already wants to do? ain’t these suggestive of an underlying principle with God that makes him seek cooperation from the man he put in charge of the earth before he does anything?
    Long ago, charles wesley had said something similar: he said that God does nothing on earth except in answer to a believing prayer. Kindly open your heart and ponder along this line and you will find the truth about God seeking our permission (or participation) before He does anything.

    Comment by Bishop Prince | February 27, 2010 | Reply

  25. I’ll just say this: BIIIIIIIIG difference between “permission” and “participaton”!!! Just because they both start with the letter “P” doesn’t mean they are similar in meaning.

    And it is improper to conflate the two. Thanks!

    Comment by maxdaddy | February 27, 2010 | Reply

  26. Guys lets bak up a little here! Think about God and how He Him Self could be feeling seeing this. I am trying to really wonder God needing permission! Hmmm wel if God gave stewardship of the Earth to Man. It means God is the ultimate Man is steward submitted to God. Think of it as President and Minister. The president can appoint a minister to office. Though He is senior but The President is not likely to make a decision directly affecting the office without talking with the Minister He Him self appointed. Its protocol. God honors His Word thats why He said did i not call u gods. He is Above all things but He established an order and He honors His Word. Thats why He said He does nothing unless reveals it to His Prophets. The issue of Job. It had nothing to do with the earth but satan trying to prove that job will leave God unders certain conditions. I think as saints we need to sit and pray and carry each other such attacks confuse the world. If we feel Myles is wrong have we sat Him down and talk with Him. Pls mail replies to me i need to also learn. My mail is tshilidzi@thebible.com. Thanks

    Comment by Paul | April 15, 2010 | Reply

  27. Hi Beloved,

    One other thing that we should put straight and in no uncertain terms is that God is not bound by anything, not even his word. The idea that God is bound by his word is not scriptural, it also fails to understand the nature of God as revealed in the bible. God himselfs honors every word he speaks, but he is not bound by it. God is subject to nothing, but every thing under the sun and in heaven in subject to God and his will. The things that God says come to pass because he is a truthful and just God. What he says come to pass because he honours his word, not that he is bound by it. All prayer, faith we can ever have will have to pass the test of God’s will.

    Blessings

    Comment by sipho | January 11, 2011 | Reply

  28. sipho; God is bound by His word as stated in His word Psalm 138, 2 Samuel 7 21-22, Isa 55:11,Jer 1:12.You see, the Bible says that “heaven and earth shall pass away but my Word will never pass away”. If God says something then He will see to it that it is accomplished or else we couldn’t depend upon Him.
    You don’t have to give God permission to act upon the earth, that is stupid, but, He has given the earth to man and He will never usurp your will. Therefore, if He wants something done upon the earth He will use His servants. His eye searches the whole earth to find a willing vessel. This happened to me when I was praying in the spirit and suddenly I started travailing and my language changed. As quickly as it started, it ended! I asked the Lord what happened and He said “a missionary in Nairobi”. I didn’t understand it at the time but now I do when I studied authority in the earth. There was a missionary needing help and God wanted to intervene so He searched the earth and found someone on the other side praying in the spirit so He spoke the words through my mouth to be accomplished. He didn’t need my permission. He wasn’t subject to me. He was just performing His Word. Simple, and yet to the unlearned, profound nonsense.

    Comment by Anonymous | January 12, 2011 | Reply

  29. NO ONE IS PERFECTL, PAUL AND PETER ALSO ENCOUNTERED DIFFERENCES IN EXPLAINING SCRIPTURE AND UNDERSTANDING GOD’S INSTRUCTIONS, BUT IT DID NOT MAKE ANY OF THEM WOLVES,,,, LET US NOT BE TOO HASTY TO JUDGE HIM AND RENDER HIM A WOLF,,, LETS RATHER PRAY FOR HIM TO GET CLARITY ON THE WORD,,, LOVE IS ENCOURAGED IN CORRECTION AS PER SCRIPTURE….

    PAUL…

    Comment by Paul | January 13, 2011 | Reply

  30. Hi, I read some of the writings and I can not help to see the conderdictions within the comments, because we don’t always agree on everything, it doesn’t mean that one is right and one is wrong. I had seen all kinds of scriptures that had conderdict each other. Do we throw the Bible away? We are suppose to always pray for each other. Anyone of us can easyly over look somthing, I know I had several times, but by the Grace of God I will continue to search the Word for a clearer understanding of Him (Jesus). Harold

    Comment by Harold Bradley | March 7, 2012 | Reply

    • It amazes me hos people will read or hear something and then focus on one aspect and blow the whole thing apart. Why did God say in “Psa 115:16 The heaven, even the heavens, are the LORD’s: but the earth hath he given to the children of men.” Why did he say “Gen 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.” Why did He say to Pray always. Prayer is not always petitioning god as some teach but speaking God’s will into existence. John 10:10 gives us a clear view of the authority in the earth. Jesus came as a human being to buy back the earth from Lucifer and He did it as a human speaking the words of God! Lucifer climbed over the wall and came into the earth as a spirit inhabiting a snake’s body. The Word of God can only be understood as God would have us do if we put all the scriptures together to complete His puzzle. Let’s drop all the name calling and ask God if the teaching is from Him or not. If it is from Him you don’t want to be warring against the Holy Spirit, but if it is not from Him then it will disappear into the ether. Let the Holy Spirit be your teacher to reveal hidden truths that mainstream Christian Churches are willingly ignorant of. In God’s love…Calvary Pilot

      Comment by Larry | March 10, 2012 | Reply

      • Thanks Larry for repling to my comment. I am unsure if you wanted me to answer the three questions that is persented. By the way, you done a great job answering them. Do you think that I was saying something out of term? I do not believe in attacking people, regardless of a different way of looking at scriptures. I do agree that we shouldn’t call God’s creation names, that hurts people feelings. However, Jesus did call names, that wasn’t so nice. Paul also said some harsh thing, and looking into 1John 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destory the works of the devil. Before we can put this into effect, we must know the spirit of the man. I do have a family memember that is a church goer that had done all kinds of bad things to my wife and I. The last time I was around him, he got up to testified and l turn to looked back at him and his face was black. I realized what God was showing me. We must first see the spirit of a man before we can call them a devil. I had someone at my house durning March brake, that was a family member, that believe a lie, that is going around about my wife and I told them that they are a devil, but I was not angry when I said it, they are also a church goer. The Bible also teaches us to pray for our enemies. I must do everything within me, to guard against my heart, so that I don’t let the emeny in there. Have a Bless week brother. Harold

        Comment by Harold Bradley | March 12, 2012

  31. Myles, Myles, Myles…. You are a couple of thousand degrees sooooo off course…

    It’s really hard to be gentle and kind to the Lion that is DEVOURING the sheep that Jesus bought with His LIFE. Sometimes some men crawl into some situations where there is just no way to be “nice” while you’re saying the truth to them. Or about them.
    Myles needs to seriously ask God forgiveness, and publicly denounce and renounce his lies. He has openly challenged God’s word, and God Himself. Let alone lie to, and confuse God’ s children with ridicule, mockery, cynism. All with lotsa sMyles… A calculated behaviour… Who cries for the sheep? Does anyone actually believe that he hasn’t been approached in love many times through the years?

    Check this …

    Comment by Anonymous | May 18, 2013 | Reply


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