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A Few More Licks…

Okay, I spent yesterday and today dealing with the spanking issue. I post all of this material on another site of the same name, and someone challenged me there. It gave me a chance to be more specific, and so I wanted to post the interaction here. I know that there are varying opinions, and I am not afraid to deal with them. The italics in Don’s portion of the post are mine… Here we go.
Don Pratt said…

I’m confused by your comparison. Those are two separate issues and people DO NOT fall on the same side of both issues. It does not follow that those who are pro-choice are against spanking. There ‘pro-choicer’s’ who spank, and some who don’t. There are right-to-lifers who spank, and some who don’t.

And regarding spanking: the studies conclusively prove that spanking causes harm. I find it puzzling that there’s even a debate.

May the peace of Christ be with you!

November 29, 2007 7:06 PM



MaxDaddy said…
Thanks for the comment, Don.
I am making what I feel is a valid generalization.

My point is this: generally speaking, liberals are the ones who don’t like spanking. Generally speaking, liberals are the ones who are in favor of abortion.

I find it odd that, generally speaking, those who say that spanking causes harm — Oprah, and the like — are the ones in favor of the ULTIMATE harm of killing a baby.

I know that there are opinions on both sides. I am speaking in general.

The word “liberal” (not as in “Democrat”) in itself defines the behavior that would allow kids to have more liberty in terms of being disrespectful, and disobedient, etc.

The same word defines the type behavior that would think that killing an unborn baby is a better solution than celibacy or sexual responsibility.

It is a liberal mindset that says to abort a fetus when it is inconvenient to carry it to term for whatever reason. The majority of abortions are NOT because of rape or incest, by the way. (And how is it the baby’s fault how it was conceived? Why do ignominious circumstances warrant the death penalty for the innocent?)

Of COURSE there are studies that prove spanking causes harm! There are studies that prove that NOT spanking causes harm, that spanking does good, that two parents are better than one, that two women make just as good parents, that gayness is unchangeable and genetic, that gays CAN change,  that aspirin does good, that aspirin harms, that heat is good for sprains, and that ICE is good for sprains! Global Warming studies go both ways, too.

Heck, the TOBACCO industry can put up studies that show that smoking is not harmful!

Studies have shown that there is a study to prove both sides of every issue in existence!

I submit that YOU probably adhered to the study that fell in line with your notion.

My personal study is like the scientific method of observation! I have seen where whacks on the butt, in proper administration, have been extremely effective. I have seen “time out” and the like fail miserably.

Practically every human being I have ever met, White, Black, Asian, Native American, etc. was spanked as a child! The number of them that turned out productive is in the upper nintieth percentile! Yeah, there are a few drug addicts in there, a couple who did time, but my (non-scientific) research has shown that usually the reason they turned out bad was because of other factors like being spanked out of anger or abuse, parental neglect, or some like reason.

I have seen spanking without love, restraint, and other proper measures fail horribly, and I have seen “reasoning” ridiculed by children who know that they are dealing with saps, wimps, and suckers!What do you do with the brute or the bully who refuses reasoning or time out? What do you do with little Billy who refuses to stay grounded, or refuses to not sneak and do what you told him not to do?

Spanking is a stopgap measure that plugs the dike until such time as little Billy develops the reasoning abilities to adhere to more mature methods.

BIBLE studies have conclusively proved that spanking, not abuse, is a Godly method of correction for a disobedient child.

“Foolishness is bound in the heart of a child, and the rod of correction will drive it far from him.”

“If you whip a child, he will not die.” There are others. Different children require different degrees of discipline, and for some, spanking is a valid alternative.

God Himself spanks us in MUCH more painful ways than with a belt, and no one could accurately make the claim that HE causes us harm.

He took the life of David’s child because of David’s adultery and murder. How’s THAT for a whupping?!

Like you, I too find it puzzling that there is a debate. But the good thing right now is that You can raise YOUR kids the way you see fit, and I can do the same!

Please accept my words and be blessed!


November 30, 2007 - Posted by | Abortion, Christianity, Common Sense, Corporal Punishment, Discipline, Liberals, Oprah, Oprah Winfrey, Parenting, Planned Parenthood, Pro-Choice, Pro-Life, Spanking


  1. Very good points! The key to discipline is…relationship. Now, I can’t say that I didn’t get spanked in anger — I think that’s a high challenge for most parents. HOWEVER, my parents never crossed the line that turns spankings into…beatings.

    Many parents don’t have good relationships with their children, which could be one of the reasons why children are so out of control and the respect that should be in place for a parent, is simply not there.

    I believe when there’s a strong bond, between a parent and a child, and the child feels loved and cared for, a necessary swat on the backside is not going to turn the child into a dysfunctional mess — despite what the “studies” may say.

    Comment by A Nappy Girl | November 30, 2007 | Reply

  2. Nice breakdown on a divisive topic.

    Comment by Tracie | November 30, 2007 | Reply

  3. You think of children as beasts, it seems you hate them sron the start, I believe in tabula rasa, there are no brutes or bullies, just kids with bad parents, the weak, the wimps are those who have to LOWER themselves to hit a child to get their fear, because that is what they are getting when you hit them. There is a big difference between fear and respect. I talk as a spanked child, I feared my parents, I did not respect them, and my children are never left alone with their grandparents.

    Comment by Meen | December 4, 2007 | Reply

  4. That picture you see next to my name? That is my son. My firstborn. Next to my wife, I love him MORE than anything else in this whole world. The worst thought I have is the thought of someone hurting him. I certainly will not! But I will do what I deem best in disciplining him without any derisive assumptions from YOU.

    I KNOW that you speak of spankers in general, but you insult me personally when you suggest that I think of him, or of any other child, as a beast.

    I am someone who sees this issue differently than you. That is all.

    The concept of “tabula rasa” is not a Biblical one, and THAT is where MY philosophy begins and ends. My son was born, as were we all, in sin. This does not imply that I hovered over his mother and waited for him to come out and began beating him at birth.

    He has ratified his nature. When he messes up, WILLFULLY, I get him. In an appropriate manner.

    AS I have said, you can raise YOURS any way you want. But when you try to tell me how to raise MINE, our problem begins.

    Allow me to suggest as well, since you say that I consider my son a BEAST, and that I am a wimp (which doesn’t insult me, because I CERTAINLY consider the possibility that you are one), let me suggest that you were BEATEN and not spanked! I was spanked until such time as I was able to reason, and my son sees MY parents EVERY WEEK! I’d give my life for them, and where I once feared the CONSEQUENCES of misbehavior, I then, and always respect them.

    You have some issues that may need to be looked into. This is, I think, the problem with a lot of people who, like Oprah, were abused instead of disciplined and now try to eliminate any pain or tears from the world. My kids will be able to face this harsh world soberly.

    Go, and raise your kids as you see fit. Good luck.

    Comment by maxdaddy | December 4, 2007 | Reply

  5. Uhh, this is kind of hard.
    Believe it or not i am doing this topic in school right this minute.
    Yes, spanking is bad. But i grew up with it in my family and i turned out just fine.
    It is a wayy of learning.
    Some people think the term “SPANKING” to seriousaly.
    It’s not like your beating your child until they are bloody?
    I believe that spanking is not all that bad.
    Although, spanking is misunderstood very very badly.

    If spanking doesent work, try another method.

    Comment by Rememberr. | January 24, 2008 | Reply

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